What does it mean to be a saint? Bishop Barron shares the three-fold path to holiness, which involves finding the center, knowing you’re a sinner, and discovering that your life is not about you. This week, he also answers a question about the relationship between mercy and justice.

Topics Discussed

  • 1:10 – Are each of us really called to be saints?
  • 4:42 – What is a saint, and how do we become one?
  • 6:15 – “Finding the center” and how rose windows symbolize this move
  • 9:03 – How do we “find the center”?
  • 10:16 – The spiritual lesson of the rose window and the “wheel of fortune”
  • 13:43 – Why is it important to know that you’re a sinner?
  • 19:10 – Flannery O’Connor’s short story “Revelation” and the symbol of sin
  • 22:04 – If my life isn’t about me, what is it about?
  • 26:00 – Ego-drama vs. Theo-drama
  • 28:37 – The Theo-drama in A Man for All Seasons
  • 31:59 – Question from caller: What is the relationship between mercy and justice?

Bonus Resources

Mentioned Scene from A Man For All Seasons

Click here to purchase A Man For All Seasons on DVD

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16 comments on “WOF 006: Three Paths to Holiness

  1. donna vivier Jan 19, 2016

    This is Excellent. Thank you & Most of All, we thank God for you

  2. Ellen Gilbert Jan 19, 2016

    I am deaf … Please have written words for these helpful discussions .or tell me where I can find transcripts …
    Thank you


  3. Selene Jan 19, 2016

    Be a teacher. I went to college studied graphic design. Worked. Got married. Keep raising my children. Become a private art teacher for kids. Sometimes I complained usually when people say: -you have pretty works of art around your home.- mmm, really?. I never sold none. Then they keep quite. I ask God, why you gave me that talent, drawing, painting, for what? I am a housewife that in her free time try to do what she can’t do at all. Succeed.
    Today I got the answer. Be a teacher. That’s it. And be happy…

  4. Elizabeth Jan 19, 2016

    Very informative. Made great sense and happily listened in its entirety. Keep up with the help us sinners need. Prayers for you but most of all love❤️

  5. Diana Alavazo Jan 19, 2016

    I really like to know bishop Robert Barron! Can we buy his book in bookstore?
    And can i shake hands with Bishop Barron when his in cebu this coming Iec?thank you

  6. Katherine Jan 20, 2016

    Such great teachings in this show. I enjoy Bishop Barron’s references and examples he uses to explain the teachings. From the stained glass Rose window at Notre Dame to Flannery O’Connor’s Revelation to the real life and also depicted film examples of the Apostles and Saints. This instruction was both enlightening and enriching. He mentioned a spiritual director to hold my feet to the fire. That’s been hard to find. I pray for vocations in the ministry.

  7. Rose LaMont Jan 20, 2016

    An encouragement to me in not being discouraged by my failings in striving to be holy as we are called to be.

    Thank you Father Barron.

  8. Melissa Jan 20, 2016

    Excellent Podcast !!! Bishop Barron , you are brilliant and a gift to the church . I finally truly understand what it means when my spirit ail director says ” life isn’t about you.”

  9. Jesus Galindo Jan 20, 2016

    This podcast is much more than a listening book to waste the time.
    Is a truly way to feed the soul and by listening and assuming again and again we are finding that center of our live
    Thank you

  10. A reply that changed my life.
    Long story short…
    I was working in personal development. After a series of questions that were designed to draw the “dreamer” out a person and get them “thinking bigger”, there was a common question we would ask of people. “Who do you want to be?” I got everything from millionaire to bowling alley owner.
    But the reply that rocked my socks…
    “Well… I guess I really just want to be a saint.”

    Everything changed for me after that. I didn’t even understand this was possible.

    Another long story short…
    I’m now a devote Catholic working daily on my sainthood. Thank you Shane Kapler.

    • I’m deeply gratified to know that the Holy Spirit could make use of me. Its a joy watching you grow, my friend – in leaps and bounds!

  11. Raquel Jan 26, 2016

    Thank you to the production team and Bishop Baron for this wonderful episode. This is truly helpful in our spiritual journey, helping to focus on the theo-drama and not the ego-drama.
    I appreciate the production team and Bishop Baron’s gift to share so much insight, history and the work of others through this medium. I pray that this ministry continues to change this world one person at a time.

  12. Cynthia Bentley Jun 22, 2016

    I love this podcast and it is so true!

    If I may, I would like to share a couple of other ideas I had while struggling with Justice vs. Mercy. They have brought light to me and joy which I hope to share and welcome any insight on.

    The first is that the ultimate Justice in God’s eyes is that every soul reach heaven. Hence, forgiving and praying for our enemies and offering up the sacrifice of the Justice denied to us, so that the soul which has offended us may advance toward heaven.

    The second idea follows on the 1st and that is: we can only exercise Mercy in relation to ourselves. What I mean by this, is that if I am going to accept any injustice and forgive it, I alone must bear that burden, for it can only be a personal free will choice of each soul to sacrifice Justice at any moment.

    I think it is critical to draw the line between imposing the sacrifice of Justice on anyone else whether it be an individual or group. It has to be a personal thing since it is an act of sacrifice and free will.

    This has helped me personally in my life choices. I will endeavor to accept an injustice toward me personally but if it affects the group then I must speak to obtain Justice for them. Also, if it is not a truth that I personally can bear an injustice and will instead resent it, then I too must speak lovingly to the injustice, at least to make it known, since offering the sacrifice at that moment is not something I can do truthfully. (The ideal of course is to reach for God and struggle to overcome my resentment. But if I’m going to give myself free license to resent, I had better not test myself beyond my capability spiritually at that moment.) 😉

  13. Thank you Bishop Barron for helping me in my spiritual life with this podcast!

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  15. Rebecca Rodriguez May 27, 2020

    Dear Bishop Baron,
    I really mean “dear”. I’ve listened to you for years now and don’t miss the chance when I have it. Thank you for your inspiration in my life.
    Please repeat what you said on your radio message last week about finding one’s center, accepting one is a sinner and then, I forgot the third thing. I really need to know the context you used to follow these three steps and the third step.
    Thank you so much.
    Rebecca Rodriguez